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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

I highly doubt that if you were given the actual choice you'd pick the one that could permanently dammage your eyes over using an annoying operating system.

This is just stupid.

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in reply to stoy

hehe. of course i would chose the annoying OS instead :D

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in reply to stoy

Orally administered hot sauce is a temporary pain.

An unnecessary, half finished OS replacing a perfectly fine one just to save serve you adds is not.

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in reply to stoy

I'm pretty convinced that that won't permanently damage your eyes, I don't think it's acidic enough.
in reply to Kakaofruchttafel

Any chef can attest also toilet breaks
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in reply to stoy

Others mentioned how they did it so I would rather have pain for a day or two than lifelong
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

Ahh yes. Typical Windows bad, linux good meme. When questioned why linux is better, the answer will be beating around the bush sort of it's worth the months of tweaking to get the WiFi adapter to work. And it's quite embarrassing to see all these guys who post abominations like this without knowing anything about debloating Windows and stripping the installation to make a perfect install without Microsoft bullshit.
If Linux works for you, Good for you.
If Windows works for you, Good for you.
Get over it. This is cringe at this point.
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in reply to trailblazer911

@trailblazer911
I'm not criticising other people's choices. People can use whatever they prefer 😄

I'm not saying Linux is better than Windows.

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in reply to trailblazer911

I have never had any issues getting WLAN, sound, USB or anything to work if i didn't build on minimal Arch or something super nerdy.

Ubuntu, Debian, Pop!, Mint, all work perfectly well in these regards. Only thing you usually have to do something is for gaming. But even that has become very easy by installing wine and proton. Steam even lets you set force compatibility modes for every game.

Debloating or preparing a clean Windows installation is more of a hassle and requires far more skill and research than setting up a working Linux system. Let alone the growing effort Microsoft puts into forcing users into Microsoft Accounts.

If Linux works for you, Good for you. If Windows works for you, Good for you.


I agree to that, but man, "Linux is too hard to set up" is straight up BS nowadays. And Microsoft and Windows do have many issues that need to be pointed out and criticized.

in reply to CyberEgg

Proves your lack of knowledge in Windows.
You can literally do all Debloat in a single go with Chris Titus' Windows Debloat Tools, which explains everything clearly.
Or you can just "winget list all" then "winget uninstall whatever the hell you want".
I have said this many times, I have been building PCs for over 20 years now. Recently I installed Linux Mint, Zorin OS and I couldn't get my onboard WiFi 6 Adapter to work properly, it never detects a WiFi 5Ghz network. Unfortunately I have to use an NVIDIA Card for my blender render, and I'm not wasting anyone's time about what a mess it is. Even with my 6750 XT it was a mess.
Now the counter statement will be "It's the manufacturers fault for not providing proper drivers". Well as an end consumer, I don't have time to blame Corporates, I just need to get my work done.
in reply to trailblazer911

I originally wanted to argue that you lack knowledge about Linux because educating yourself about debloating tools is actually more effort than I ever needed to put into a basic Linux installation with a regular distro, but then I recognized it's actually you who's lacking knowledge about Windows.

Occasional issues with hardware drivers is something that happens with Windows, too. Just last week I set up a server for a client and it took me two days to get all the NICs ready due to driver issues. That shit happens. Occasionally. With both Windows and Linux.

Edit: Autocorrect corrected

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You're right, no one cares what other people use, but comparing a debloated Windows install with a proper Linux install is just dumb. A debloated Windows install will never be "perfect" or exist without Microsoft bullshit it literally depends on most of it. And I'm not bashing debloating of Windows here. It's a fair choice if you have to use Windows and want a bit more of a lightweight experience. Personally I use Linux to use more FOSS software, tiling window managers and having in general a better idea of how my system works. And yes you're right that that's not for everyone but all I'm saying is that there should be an option besides amputating a shitty anti-consumer OS. At this point people are comfortable using a borked version of an OS whose main business strategy has become collection of personal data.
in reply to trailblazer911

You used that word in the original comment, I'm only quoting you, hence the quotes. I don't think there is a perfect OS, but it sure as hell isn't debloated Windows.
in reply to trailblazer911

Something that just has a perfect fit and full transparency. Something that is only done on Open Source Operating Systems.

OpenBSD can be seen as perfect because the code base is very strict and securely written. Making it a nearly bug free OS. But I never used it.

Linux Distros that have a large repository to install apps from can be seen as perfect because you cant create a chaos where you dont know how to uninstall things, as everything is installed through the same package manager. Satisfying for updating too.
Something like NixOS, Gentoo or Arch.

I dont see them as the "perfect" but Windows.... even debloated. Its still a huge chaos.

in reply to ReakDuck

What good does a good code base do when it cant run popular games and apps like cod, valorant, siege, league of legends, destiny, adobe apps etc? On windows everything just works even though it is not transparent or open source.
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in reply to trailblazer911

I just started my switch to Linux and the only things that don't work out of the box on my brand new Lenovo laptop are things that have no bearing on the actual use of the device. And frankly, spending hours fiddling to make things work is much more satisfying than spending hours trying to figure out how to stop Microsoft spying on me.
in reply to trailblazer911

Wow!! Thanks!
I will try to debloat windows now and then replace all linux installations of mine with your suggestion.
Which filesystem should I use to support paths > 256 characters on Windows?

Also: How can I bind my favorite Applications to my usual shortcuts? Never found that option in the settings.

in reply to trailblazer911

Over the last few years I've installed various flavors of Linux on 4 random machines of different types. Haven't had trouble with WiFi on any of them. I've barely used windows and had piles of trouble with it just about every time.

Cry about the post I guess?

in reply to TrickDacy

@TrickDacy

Indeed. Linux nowadays works out of the box if you choose a distro such as Ubuntu or Fedora.

The Wifi issue thing is an old story which was a reality back in 2005 when I started using Linux.

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in reply to TrickDacy

5ghz wifi not working is a known problem. I had the same issue with multiple distros on a hp laptop. But i installed windows 11 and everything worked perfectly, even the trackpad for some reason felt better than in linux. Everything was taken care by windows updates.
in reply to trailblazer911

I recently added windows to a separate drive on my linux machine, when I installed linux everything worked out of the box, meanwhile on windows I had to download the wifi drivers on a separate device and transfer them over to be able to even access the internet
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in reply to trailblazer911

Haven't had trouble with wifi on Linux in like 12 years.

Bluetooth on the other hand...

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in reply to Rob Bos

I haven't had trouble with windows wifi in... Literally ever. Seriously, wtf are people on about here?
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in reply to Lucidlethargy

Having supported windows professionally for many years... I have had trouble with windows wifi. Oh lawd have I. Linux is easier.

Linux is a worthy opponent. Windows is a toddler with a Glock.

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in reply to trailblazer911

I've used windows all my life, and I have no idea what you're talking about... I just boot that shit and it's fine. Never good, but fine. It works.
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

The insane windows hate on Lemmy is actually pushing me away from wanting to try Linux. Some of you are insufferable, like your entire personality is that you use Linux.

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in reply to Cold_Brew_Enema

How can you tell someone is a Linux user?

Don't worry they'll tell you

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in reply to Shard

I use windows 11 and I don’t see what all the hate is for. Maybe it’s cuz I use Pro, and click a couple of buttons to hide the “news”… but it seems perfectly fine to me.

And I’m a power user, with Linux experience.

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ok power user. I’m sure you love all the extra steps it takes to do basic admin functions that used to be one click in 10. I’m sure you love the forced updates and constant addition of edge and search bars to your desktop. I’m sure you love all the privacy invasion and ads shoved into every corner of the OS.
in reply to thorbot

Jesus, just take a moment to realize how insufferable you need to be to have people defend Windows. Privacy issues are the only valid argument at this point for Windows and a really good argument so just harp on it.

Edge isn't a new concept, it's just replaced IE. Also I don't get the want to remove it entirely, try removing libcurl and see how functional Linux is for a daily driver. Just set Firefox as your default browser and call it a day, you'll never see Edge again.

The search bar is one click to hide. Also several distros ship with a search bar.

Ads don't appear with Windows Pro

Not really sure what setting you're having trouble getting to, everything's roughly the same between 7, 10, and 11 for power users.

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in reply to thorbot

Idk, maybe it’s cuz I’m on the same windows install I’ve been on for a few years, but there are things I dislike, but I’ve changed them, long ago. And occasionally I have to disable another taskbar thing, or well… that’s basically it.

The privacy element is legit, and I do what I can to reduce the amount of tracking they can do. But I game, I play games that don’t run on Linux. Well, the anti cheat doesn’t run on Linux. I check back frequently, because I do see the appeal of Linux. But windows just isn’t as bad (for me) as people make it out to be, and definitely not enough to deal with dual booting or virtualizing windows to maintain access to the games I play most.

in reply to NightAuthor

Same. I know my way around Linux but game enough that switching isn't super practical.

I haven't had issues with Windows for years except for one install or upgrade that went sideways one way or another, but I keep backups so 🤷. I've never found killing telemetry and nixing features I don't want to be any more tedious than doing stuff in Linux. Oh no there's a few extra clicks in the click fest of setting up a new os install to how I like it whaattt will I ever dooooooooo.

in reply to NightAuthor

Pro augments nothing in this area. These people are just unstable.
in reply to NightAuthor

I used Windows before and was against Linux because it felt too difficult to get into. That was before I upgraded to Windows 10 and found out that something or the other broke windows every 3 or 4 days. Linux is very easy to fix and doesn't break often in he first place, and as it turns out isn't even very hard to get into. I have much more confidence getting into server management software now that I switched to Linux and it has been immensely helpful in other cases too, especially with eh recent developments of WINE and Proton.
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in reply to Shard

I said this exact same thing a few months ago and was downvoted to oblivion lol
in reply to Pringles

At least loving linux doesnt make me have digestive issues! Lol
in reply to quindraco

Oh, bless your heart. You just be new here! Welcome!
in reply to quindraco

A vast majority of the people on Lemmy use Linux. Or, at least, the Linux users on here are the most vocal about their OS. Just type in "Linux" in the community search, and you'll find dozens and dozens of linux communities with thousands of subscribers, compared to a handful of Windows communities with only a few hundred subscribers.
in reply to Cold_Brew_Enema

It's fucking unreal how many of them froth at the mouth about Linux. Like, fuck off.

By the way, I actually endorse Linux for limited uses. I'm just realistic about it... It's simply not a solution for everything.

in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

Windows 11 is great. I finally upgraded a month ago. No regrets. Several good handy new features.

Not happy that they'll eventually shove ads down my throat at which time I'm fully prepared to switch to Linux. Until then, at least at this point, Windows 11 > Windows 10.

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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

I don't want features...I don't want assistance. I want a basic os that does what I want and doesn't do things that it thinks I want.
in reply to foggy

Im using ReviOS on my non-gaming/work systems right now as a trial - its windows 11,but strips out all the crapware. So far Im liking it.
in reply to foggy

What new features are you talking about? Serious question.
in reply to jupiter_jazz

File explorer tabs. It's amazing.

Notepad tabs. Less amazing, still awesome.

I also like the context menu more. It is going to be less confusing even when cluttered.

Way cleaned up ui/ix for notifications.

I've only been using it for about a month. This is what I've noticed the most.

in reply to foggy

I hate the context menu so much. What used to be clear and concise with custom plugins is now a mash of nearly identical flat icons and an extra click to get to anything useful.
in reply to Tlaloc_Temporal

If you are comfortable editing the registry then you can get the old context menu back without the extra clicks. Searching online for the right key was pretty easy.
in reply to Jako301

It's a shared computer, so I'm somewhat uncomfortable tinkering with the OS. I would have done that immediately though!
in reply to foggy

Both my friends are on windows 11 and everything got fucked up. Keyboards not working and touchpads not working.
in reply to /home/pineapplelover

Could it be that the device drivers just aren't compatible with Win 11? Happened to me once. Super annoying to deal with.
in reply to TheDarksteel94

If you're a tech noob you probably don't want to deal with this. We come from a world of linux and troubleshooting. People who use Windows probably want the least resistance and to just do work.
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

The update has been queued for about a month on my work computer. No. I won’t do it.

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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

Wooooooah. My wife’s new glasses actually came with a tiny bottle of Tabasco sauce (with the eye doctor’s business info printed on it).

I’d give them credit for the meme, but I have a feeling they’re clueless, as they also push “healing salt lamps” in that place.

Her new progressives came out great at least though!

in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

I'm forced to use Win 11 at work, for sEcUrItY.
But I'm actually working within a full-screen Debian VM on HyperV until someone with authority tells me to knock it off.
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

Surprised to see so many defending windows 11 here! The ad insertion all throughout the system is SO bad, but what they've done to the right-click (context?) Menu was the last straw. Like, most options are hidden underneath the stupid inflated touch-friendly list. Give me a button to disable it (that isn't in the registry), at least!

The final straw for me though was my VR just quit one day - but I could dual boot back to windows 10 and it was fine somehow 🤷‍♂️ did a bunch of tricks to get it working to no avail, so I scrapped the windows 11 demo partition and finally gave Linux a try.

VR definitely isn't ready on Linux (if you're stuck with an nvidia card like I am, for now) - but considering the OS is built on FOSS and its this feature rich and stable??? Never going back.

in reply to xttweaponttx

@xttweaponttx
Yeah i agree. The ad stuff is really bad. Having ads in the browser is enough. I don't want it in my OS. But even all the way back in Windows 7 some people busted Windows in "calling home" when something was entered in the search field in the Start menu. This was caught using the ZoneAlarm firewall.

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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen

Unless your company forces you to use citrix VDI so you create a separate VM and install windows for this.