I think this decentralization and federation is what web3 is all about, without all the corporations calling everything to do with monkey pixel art that costs a million dollars "web3"
What we're seeing here seems more like a restoration of the architecture of pre-web Internet services, like SMTP, NNTP, or IRC.
The protocols are built on top of HTTPS and JSON as a session layer, rather than on lines of ASCII as in those classic protocols ... but the architecture looks a lot more like "a bunch of servers under independent administration, that agree to share messages with each other in a network" than like anything with the stink of blockchains on it.
Blockchain is also a cool technology I think but I don't think it's so well suited for social networks because any node needs to store all the data so it becomes quite heavy with time. Blockchain is better suited for financial transactions which it does really well in my opinion.
One thing I think a platform like #Peertube needs to solve, which #LBRY does (because it uses a blockchain) is the financial incentive for content creators without ads because right now you can't really make money on Peertube. On LBRY you can because it features its own currency and on #Youtube of course but this is using ads. This is one of the advantages to using a blockchain. However LBRY's torrent like protocol for sharing video data is very slow and buggy which incentives the centralisation around odysee. The idea behind the project is great but not that well in practice if they don't make the protocol faster.
Plenty of creators have solved that already through platforms like patreon. It turns out that ad-supported content only works if advertisers want to advertise on your content, and large segments of media aren't "advertiser friendly".
It's not clear to me that media distribution and payment need to follow the same channels.
For instance, classic TV uses completely separate pathways for distributing media to users (via broadcast radio signals) and collecting revenues. Commercial TV stations run advertisements; US-style public TV stations attract contributors and sponsors; UK BBC-style public TV stations have government funding.
(And the BBC produces good material — not only BBC World Service, but also Doctor Who.)
Platforms such as YouTube collapse all of this into a single service for convenience. And then "YouTubers" get the mistaken impression that they're entitled to it, and fuss when they are "demonetized".
("Demonetization" just means "the platform doesn't think its advertisers want to be associated with you; and the advertisers are paying to have the platform make that decision.")
If someone is providing convenience as a service, they get to collect a share of revenue from it, and they get to decide whether you get to use their service at all — an opportunity for censorship.
If I were in the video business (which I'm not; so I am ignorant!) I would look to distribute video via a service similar to a streaming/dynamic version of BitTorrent; and find a way to automate placement of video ads into the stream. Major tech companies shouldn't need to be involved at all; nothing about this should need large server or network capacity — for the same reason that torrent servers don't.
As much as I like the idea of creating an incentive to make money by making videos, it's not good in practice. Youtube's quality has plummeted ever since it introduced adverts, content creators keep making videos with non content for the sake of it, on top of that, desperate sponsorships, which is irritating.
#Odysee uses blockchain but it is still in its infancy. It needs more time and money to be invested in it in order to grow. Right now there is no proper way to buy LBC credits.
@Mustafa Kulle True. Trading LBC could maybe be made more easy. As far as I know you have to buy or sell them on crypto exchanges at the moment which can be complicated for some.
Yes. That is exactly the problem. When I want to boost content on #Odysee I simply want to go to a credits page, buy them using a debit/ credit card and boost it.
At the moment, when you go to their FAQ pages, you will find there is no straight forward method to buy LBRY credits to boost your content. Which is annoying.
Blockchain is well suited for storing authentication and provenance information. The Fediverse could benefit from blockchain stored instance, user, and community metadata.
this feels like what Web 2.0 should have been: the advanced version of user-run platforms with decentralization added in, rather than the adternet and enshittification trap venture capital backed platforms that lure people in and then downgrade quality of life.
This is pretty much the alternate timeline of Reddit. Community driven link aggregators do replace forums, but they stay decentralized and not corporate run
Hey! This post is not specifically related to the lemmy.world instance. From now on, posts such as these will be removed, in order for the community to stay on topic. However, as this is a highly upvoted post, I'll just lock it for now.
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in reply to Amoiridis Kyriakos • • •What we're seeing here seems more like a restoration of the architecture of pre-web Internet services, like SMTP, NNTP, or IRC.
The protocols are built on top of HTTPS and JSON as a session layer, rather than on lines of ASCII as in those classic protocols ... but the architecture looks a lot more like "a bunch of servers under independent administration, that agree to share messages with each other in a network" than like anything with the stink of blockchains on it.
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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •Plenty of creators have solved that already through platforms like patreon. It turns out that ad-supported content only works if advertisers want to advertise on your content, and large segments of media aren't "advertiser friendly".
No crypto required.
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in reply to Lucien • •Really? Just heard someone who complained about it but maybe you're right.
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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •It's not clear to me that media distribution and payment need to follow the same channels.
For instance, classic TV uses completely separate pathways for distributing media to users (via broadcast radio signals) and collecting revenues. Commercial TV stations run advertisements; US-style public TV stations attract contributors and sponsors; UK BBC-style public TV stations have government funding.
(And the BBC produces good material — not only BBC World Service, but also Doctor Who.)
Platforms such as YouTube collapse all of this into a single service for convenience. And then "YouTubers" get the mistaken impression that they're entitled to it, and fuss when they are "demonetized".
("Demonetization" just means "the platform doesn't think its advertisers want to be associated with you; and the advertisers are paying to have the platform make that decision.")
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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •If someone is providing convenience as a service, they get to collect a share of revenue from it, and they get to decide whether you get to use their service at all — an opportunity for censorship.
If I were in the video business (which I'm not; so I am ignorant!) I would look to distribute video via a service similar to a streaming/dynamic version of BitTorrent; and find a way to automate placement of video ads into the stream. Major tech companies shouldn't need to be involved at all; nothing about this should need large server or network capacity — for the same reason that torrent servers don't.
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in reply to fubo • •Same as Fediverse. Instances can choose to hide certain content.
Mustafa Kulle
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •As much as I like the idea of creating an incentive to make money by making videos, it's not good in practice. Youtube's quality has plummeted ever since it introduced adverts, content creators keep making videos with non content for the sake of it, on top of that, desperate sponsorships, which is irritating.
#Odysee uses blockchain but it is still in its infancy. It needs more time and money to be invested in it in order to grow. Right now there is no proper way to buy LBC credits.
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in reply to Mustafa Kulle • •True. Trading LBC could maybe be made more easy. As far as I know you have to buy or sell them on crypto exchanges at the moment which can be complicated for some.
Mustafa Kulle
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •Yes. That is exactly the problem.
When I want to boost content on #Odysee I simply want to go to a credits page, buy them using a debit/ credit card and boost it.
At the moment, when you go to their FAQ pages, you will find there is no straight forward method to buy LBRY credits to boost your content. Which is annoying.
https://help.odysee.tv/category-wallet/balances/#lbc-boosting-content
I'm hoping it will get there someday. All we need is #patience
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in reply to Mustafa Kulle • •Indeed. Hopefully they will improve. Or someone else will do it better in the future.
Mustafa Kulle
in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •Hell yeah. Whoever that "someone else" may be, I am definitely willing to give it a try.
#New #Tech is worth #fighting for. \m/
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in reply to TinfoilBeanieTech • •Interesting idea. So blockchain could make communication between instances more efficient
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in reply to Amoiridis Kyriakos • • •this feels like what Web 2.0 should have been: the advanced version of user-run platforms with decentralization added in, rather than the adternet and enshittification trap venture capital backed platforms that lure people in and then downgrade quality of life.
This is pretty much the alternate timeline of Reddit. Community driven link aggregators do replace forums, but they stay decentralized and not corporate run
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