What non-FOSS software have you been unable to quit?
For me, Google video search, Google books (Internet Archive is good, but doesn't always have the same stuff), Adobe InDesign (but in the process of learning LaTeX), and Typewise. As for the Google stuff, I liked Whoogle a lot, but almost all their instances seem to have been blocked or shut down. Also, apologies if this is repeating an earlier post.
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Björn Tantau
in reply to hedge • • •Just games. And I am thankful for all the open source implementations as they are almost always vastly superior to the original releases.
Thank you John Carmack for releasing the sources to your games!
furzegulo1312
in reply to Björn Tantau • • •sic_1
in reply to Björn Tantau • • •hedge
Unknown parent • • •It is, yes, but arg! Its toolbar buttons are too small!
https://beehaw.org/post/11142391
SomeBoyo
in reply to hedge • • •Eogram
in reply to hedge • • •hedge
in reply to Eogram • • •Eogram
in reply to hedge • • •I've used organic maps, and maybe osmand? It's good! And progress is fast. But it's not quite there yet for me.
This conversation is making me realize that it may have been a year since I last tried it? Guess I'm due!
The user generated data on google maps is really useful though.
hedge
in reply to Eogram • • •governorkeagan
in reply to hedge • • •umbrella
in reply to hedge • • •governorkeagan
in reply to Eogram • • •Eogram
in reply to governorkeagan • • •PrivateNoob
in reply to Eogram • • •Unfortunately OSM won't be able to compete with user reviews for example (except if we steal those from Google). Also a bunch of shops can't be seen there, which is crucial for me to discover cheap restaurants.
But OSM's bike routes are 10/10.
nothing
in reply to hedge • • •2xsaiko
in reply to nothing • • •flatbield
in reply to nothing • • •There are a bunch. There are fewer that are multiuser. Search alternativeto. Thing is people want more then double entry accounting. Electronic payment processing, reporting, payroll, AR, tax... Then how does it work with the professionals you hire.
Edit: For personal stuff, my wife and I use GNUCash. It does have small company features. I do not think it is concurrent though, but it can be used with an SQL backend though. We do not use the database mode so no experience with it.
jbd
in reply to nothing • • •CbtB
in reply to hedge • • •Discord has friends locked in. IRCcloud is so convenient. Tap to pay app is too useful. The app that controls my heat and AC is going to be a big project to replace. Spotify has family locked in. All the garbage running on my car would be nearly impossible to change.
GBoard is one I've tried to ditch a few times and end up coming back to. :(
hedge
in reply to CbtB • • •Tried AnySoft keyboard?
I've never understood the appeal of Spotify; I'm used to owning CDs, FLAC, or mp3 albums.
BolexForSoup
in reply to hedge • • •I also like having physical copies/my own files organized for my home server. But to not even understand why people use Spotify...?
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hedge
in reply to BolexForSoup • • •I'm just old I guess, and rather set in my ways. I remember not being able to search their catalog to see what they had or didn't have without signing up, but that was quite a long time ago. I think Spotify may short change its artists, but at the same time I'm guessing it's probably a lot cheaper than buying albums.
Can't you also do 1,2,&3 with YouTube as well?
BolexForSoup
in reply to hedge • • •Youtube doesn't let you listen to videos if you navigate away from the app or lock your screen, making it functionally useless as a mobile music player. You have to pay for YT music to be able to do that.
And I agree with you about not using spotify, but again, there are certainly advantages to it. The pros just don't outweigh the cons/match our values.
hedge
in reply to BolexForSoup • • •BolexForSoup
in reply to hedge • • •aStonedSanta
in reply to hedge • • •CbtB
in reply to hedge • • •I'll give it another try. It's been a year or more.
I could switch away from Spotify but family wouldn't like it and we share a plan.
Political Custard
in reply to hedge • • •QuantumBamboo
in reply to hedge • • •Photoshop/Illustrator - I know how to do 50% of what I need to in GIMP/Inkscape, but I lean on Adobe usually!
flatbield
in reply to QuantumBamboo • • •IrritableOcelot
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in reply to IrritableOcelot • • •mayooooo
in reply to flatbield • • •QuantumBamboo
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in reply to QuantumBamboo • • •Greenpepper
in reply to QuantumBamboo • • •Papamousse
in reply to hedge • • •TotalCommander.
I was using Norton Commander in DOS in the 90s, then WindowsCommander in Windows 3, which was renamed TotalCommander. Using this for maybe 35 years. I don't know how to use Windows gui to copy/paste or explore multiple folders etc.
onlinepersona
in reply to Papamousse • • •Krusader and Double Commander immediately come to mind.
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Krusader - Twin panel file management for your desktop
krusader.orgmacniel
in reply to hedge • • •Hellfire103
in reply to hedge • • •Lunya \ she/it
in reply to Hellfire103 • • •onlinepersona
in reply to Hellfire103 • • •ListenBrainz
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in reply to onlinepersona • • •onlinepersona
in reply to Hellfire103 • • •I think it would depend on the music player? There is listenbrainz-ios, but I assume it's banned by Apple because it's opensource? That would make iOS pretty bad if you want to go opensource with stuff. But if you're in the EU, that might change soon thanks to the DMA which will force Apple to allow third-party stores of which probably a few opensource ones will pop up.
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GitHub - metabrainz/listenbrainz-ios: iOS App of ListenBrainz
GitHubHellfire103
in reply to onlinepersona • • •useful_idiot
in reply to Hellfire103 • • •gonic
to serve up my music collection via subsonic API, then have play:sub and/or substreamer ios apps that use/pull from it. gonic can scrobble for you when clients play songs. Combined that withmajola
for self-hosted scrobbling for the last 18 months Ive been quite happy with it.h3ndrik
in reply to hedge • • •cestvrai
in reply to hedge • • •Rhino for CAD.
However, I have been using OpenSCAD for parametric design more than the Grasshopper extension.
Thankfully, skipped ArcGIS entirely for QGIS and Python GDAL wrappers.
mister_monster
in reply to hedge • • •FolderSync on android. It's the only automatic sync application I've found that syncs to mydrive.ch.
Also a couple of UI apps, BarLauncher, which is a notification thing that let's you put app icons to launch from the notification drop down, and LaunchyWidget, like a scrolling "fence" to dump app icons in on your home screen. They're both so simple, I'm surprised that nobody has built FOSS versions of them.
On my PC I don't use any proprietary software at all.
Andy
in reply to hedge • • •flappy
in reply to Andy • • •eco_game
in reply to flappy • • •I really wanted to switch to Cuda, but there are a few small features missing which is super infuriating to me.
I can't think of any off the top of my head right now though.
onlinepersona
in reply to Andy • • •Sublime Text? What's missing in other editors that you have in that?
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in reply to onlinepersona • • •thingsiplay
in reply to hedge • • •Uninvited Guest
in reply to hedge • • •ananas
in reply to hedge • • •ReallyZen
in reply to ananas • • •Wikimedia list article
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)ananas
in reply to ReallyZen • • •I guess that list could be helpful for some, but for me (and IMO, music production in general), it's woefully inadequate to the point of hilarity.
Pro audio has been a complete mess in Linux for ages, and it's not even close to where it should be in order to be generally usable. Every 7-8 years or so when my old music computer starts to die I try and check if it has made substantial improvement, but apart from Musescore actually being good, it is hard to find any tangible progress from 15 years ago. Pipewire gives me some hope, but it's far from production-ready in Pro audio world. And I'm not really going to get rid of all the VST stuff I've bought in the last 20 years (all of which still works out of the box on a new computer!)
In addition, making music is the one hobby I have to get me away from tinkering with computers. I am not interested if I could make my Linux setup equally good if I spent weeks tinkering on it, when it's literally easier for me to work for a week and buy a Macbook Air (or whatever crappy windows PC), where I get all of my old work rea
... show moreI guess that list could be helpful for some, but for me (and IMO, music production in general), it's woefully inadequate to the point of hilarity.
Pro audio has been a complete mess in Linux for ages, and it's not even close to where it should be in order to be generally usable. Every 7-8 years or so when my old music computer starts to die I try and check if it has made substantial improvement, but apart from Musescore actually being good, it is hard to find any tangible progress from 15 years ago. Pipewire gives me some hope, but it's far from production-ready in Pro audio world. And I'm not really going to get rid of all the VST stuff I've bought in the last 20 years (all of which still works out of the box on a new computer!)
In addition, making music is the one hobby I have to get me away from tinkering with computers. I am not interested if I could make my Linux setup equally good if I spent weeks tinkering on it, when it's literally easier for me to work for a week and buy a Macbook Air (or whatever crappy windows PC), where I get all of my old work ready for action in under a day, and I can trust that everything I do will just work, and work well at that. And it does it while allowing me to work remotely with other musicians since we can all use the same stuff.
I'm pretty sure I'll be in my grave before FOSS Pro Audio ever gets there, unfortunately.
Edit: Ironically, the one FOSS thing I would love to use in my audio stuff is Guitarix, which is then the thing that doesn't interop well with anything else. And I would love to have easy way to do all that I do on (Win/Mac Os) on Linux, but 20 years of disappointment is pretty hard to overcome at this point.
Pantherina
in reply to ananas • • •Have you tried Ardour, Bitwig, Reaper or Zrythm? Studio 1 also has a Wayland-native version now, which is paid.
But I get the tinkering part, poorly.
ananas
in reply to Pantherina • • •Pantherina
in reply to ananas • • •I wanted to package an ambisonic VST3 plugin as a Flatpak, really need to learn that as this would make things really easy.
But I have no idea of audio production, find it really cool but its a complex topic.
Lettuce eat lettuce
in reply to hedge • • •Steam, because most my games are on there.
Discord, because most my friends and social groups are on there.
IrritableOcelot
in reply to hedge • • •Showroom7561
in reply to hedge • • •Google Earth and Google Street View.
Even after all these years of using them, I'm still amazed.
hedge
in reply to Showroom7561 • • •Instant Google Street View
Instant Google Street ViewPantherina
in reply to hedge • • •delirious_owl
in reply to Pantherina • • •Pantherina
in reply to delirious_owl • • •brisk
in reply to hedge • • •Podcast Addict
I really want to use AntennaPod, but I can't do without priority podcasts.
Also Feedly. Feeder (FOSS) is so close, but doesn't allow different sorts for different feeds.
https://linkage.ds8.zone/u/beyond
in reply to hedge • • •I don't understand why we spend so much time praising proprietary software in these communities.
As to your question, I have a separate Windows machine for gaming, but that's it. I keep one foot in the free world and one in the proprietary. As for productivity tools I can't think of a proprietary tool I "can't quit" or that I would pick in favor of a free tool.
Fans of proprietary software have this weird belief that free software users choose inferior tools for purist or idealist reasons. This is offensively ignorant. No one chooses bad tools on purpose; we just consider freedom to be part of the criteria of a good tool.
Adanisi
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in reply to • • •AVincentInSpace
in reply to • • •A tool with fewer features that is harder to use is by definition an inferior tool.
You just described choosing an inferior tool for ideological reasons.
https://linkage.ds8.zone/u/beyond
in reply to AVincentInSpace • • •That's only your opinion, not an objective truth, and I only partially agree with it. Having the most features is not as important as having just the right set of features, and there are anti-features to consider as well. Feature creep can actually impact the usability of a tool, so these two criteria are sometimes in contradiction.
Ease of use is subjective and depends on the user, because users' needs, ability, tastes, and concerns differ. Of course, I don't think anyone deliberately chooses a tool because it is hard to use.
I don't agree that freeness is purely an ideological concern. I don't think a tool that works against me, or imposes arbitrary restrictions on me is a good tool by any measure. A good tool doesn't enshittify, or spy on its user, or refuse to work for arbitrary reasons. If a tool doesn't work and you are legally not allowed to fix it (as in
... show moreThat's only your opinion, not an objective truth, and I only partially agree with it. Having the most features is not as important as having just the right set of features, and there are anti-features to consider as well. Feature creep can actually impact the usability of a tool, so these two criteria are sometimes in contradiction.
Ease of use is subjective and depends on the user, because users' needs, ability, tastes, and concerns differ. Of course, I don't think anyone deliberately chooses a tool because it is hard to use.
I don't agree that freeness is purely an ideological concern. I don't think a tool that works against me, or imposes arbitrary restrictions on me is a good tool by any measure. A good tool doesn't enshittify, or spy on its user, or refuse to work for arbitrary reasons. If a tool doesn't work and you are legally not allowed to fix it (as in the printer which inspired the movement in the 1980s), it's not a good tool. If a tool punishes you for something you didn't even do (as BitKeeper did to the Linux developers) it's not a good tool, even if it has the right features.
I don't tell you that your opinion is wrong, only that I don't agree with it. We are told our concerns are invalid and don't matter.
Thank You, Larry McVoy - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
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in reply to hedge • •Free and Open Source Software reshared this.
Pantherina
in reply to hedge • • •Proprietary firmware on Google Pixel, blobs in Dasharo Coreboot.
On Android there are tons of video and image editors embedded in Whatsapp, Telegram, Instagram, Snapchat, Tiktok etc. but nothing comparable.
I find Desktop video editors confusing but I use Footage (GNOME) and "OpenVideoEdit" on Android.
darkphotonstudio
in reply to hedge • • •Sensitivezombie
in reply to hedge • • •stoi
in reply to hedge • • •Google maps, venmo, and lyft are my last real holdouts.
I tried Osmand~ but it like using your dads Garmin from 2005. The last two have been hard to find good alternatives to. Would be nice if signal payments were in a stable coin instead of a shitcoin.
delirious_owl
in reply to stoi • • •stoi
in reply to delirious_owl • • •acastcandream
in reply to stoi • • •organic maps is built on open maps and is FOSS. Takes some getting used to though. The time estimates aren't accurate (it doesn't account for traffic) so always add time to the estimate, and you can't really search for things by name you generally need to input addresses (except for maybe your airport. This also varies based on where you live because folks might be updating it more for you locally).
Basically it's a solid option but not good enough for me to ditch Apple maps completely (I trust apple slightly more than gmaps but not by a large margin lol).
delirious_owl
in reply to acastcandream • • •acastcandream
in reply to delirious_owl • • •averyminya
in reply to delirious_owl • • •Serious question - aren't maps for navigation? I've heard this rhetoric a few times and I just... don't entirely follow the logic. Like I do to an extent, insofar as Open Street Map data is for information like rivers, buildings, updating cell data (used to do updates here and there in my city.)
But to me all of these maps, and initially starting out, maps are for... navigating?
Idk lol, not judging, mostly just confused at the intention. "We plot out maps! But dare to try and follow it to get where you are going at your own peril."
Undearius
in reply to averyminya • • •Maps are for documenting the location of things in the real world relative to each other. It could be anything, like roads and buildings, or rivers and bodies of water, or electrical lines.
Then there is all the information that is added to all those objects; adding names to the roads, buildings having an addtess and what type of building they are, the direction a river is flowing and how many rivers flow into or out if a lake.
All of that is just information, where an what things are, it doesn't actually do anything. That is a map.
Navigation software takes the information about the roads and how they are connected together along with their names and combines it with addresses to show you how to get from one address to another.
You could also have software that simulates the ecological effects of rerouting a river from a lake, or damming a river.
You could take data from a map to show you all the power lines that are near trees that will need to be trimmed and give estimates to your employer on how many people to hire for tree trimming, and
... show moreMaps are for documenting the location of things in the real world relative to each other. It could be anything, like roads and buildings, or rivers and bodies of water, or electrical lines.
Then there is all the information that is added to all those objects; adding names to the roads, buildings having an addtess and what type of building they are, the direction a river is flowing and how many rivers flow into or out if a lake.
All of that is just information, where an what things are, it doesn't actually do anything. That is a map.
Navigation software takes the information about the roads and how they are connected together along with their names and combines it with addresses to show you how to get from one address to another.
You could also have software that simulates the ecological effects of rerouting a river from a lake, or damming a river.
You could take data from a map to show you all the power lines that are near trees that will need to be trimmed and give estimates to your employer on how many people to hire for tree trimming, and then combine that with a map of buildings to show how many customers would be without power if a tree branch triggers a circuit to open.
Navigation is just one part of what a map could be used for, and probably one of the only parts that most people would use a map for.
OpenStreetMap started out just being a map of streets, hence the name, but it has grown to be this massive collection of information. Then there is all of tools that decide what to do with the information. OsmAnd is a good tool for simply displaying the data. It can provide navigation but it's not the best.
delirious_owl
in reply to averyminya • • •Consider a map of all cell towers. Or consider a map of all power substations. Or a map of all dams.
None of those.maps are useful for navigating.
Likewise, good luck using a navigation app (like Google Maps) to produce the above maps. They're different tools for different jobs.
RBG
in reply to delirious_owl • • •AVincentInSpace
in reply to stoi • • •stoi
in reply to AVincentInSpace • • •LordChaos82
in reply to hedge • • •Office 365: The only option I can use for work including Outlook and Teams.
Google Maps: I keep trying to use OsmAnd+ but it is almost impossible to search for addresses.
davehtaylor
in reply to LordChaos82 • • •Why is this? I hear this a lot, but I don't understand
Mixel
in reply to davehtaylor • • •So if you'd want to switch platforms youd have to convince a lot of people and most would not be ready to do that since why bother when you can just use WhatsApp?
anothermember
in reply to davehtaylor • • •jarfil
in reply to davehtaylor • • •In some countries, government employees themselves use WhatsApp to communicate on their work phones. You have a query? Schedule an in-person visit in 6 weeks, or fire up WhatsApp, your choice. Fortunately some also use email, but WhatsApp still tends to be quicker.
It gets slightly worse when you're looking for a job, and the only way to get hired, is to talk to someone through WhatsApp. Don't want to? No job for you; next!
phoenixz
in reply to jarfil • • •Yeah, WhatsApp is amlove hate relationship for me.
It's seriously the best app out there, it just works, works nice and intuitive, has a web version (holy crap can't go without) and almost everyone is on there.
I'd love a Foss federated solution, but good luck with that if no one uses it
Count Regal Inkwell
in reply to davehtaylor • • •Can't speak for any country but my own (Brazil)
The reason WhatsApp is such a thing here is an interesting little historical path.
See, texting never really took off here in Brazil. Because phone service providers would charge per individual message. And while the charge was like 5 cents per message, that shit builds up. So unless you're rich... You won't be texting.
So when smartphones, and with them, data plans (that offered very little data, around 4 gigs is the average nowadays, it was a few megs back then) came around, internet-based messaging services became our texting. Because if you have, idk, 512 megs of data in your plan, that's not a lot but it is more than enough for messaging over an app.
WhatsApp was the one that got popular, no idea why.
It was popular with the youths(tm) first in the early 10s, then families hopped on, dragged in by their young-adult kids no doubt, and then... Everything! Because once the Boomers had learned how to use this one app, every business under th
... show moreCan't speak for any country but my own (Brazil)
The reason WhatsApp is such a thing here is an interesting little historical path.
See, texting never really took off here in Brazil. Because phone service providers would charge per individual message. And while the charge was like 5 cents per message, that shit builds up. So unless you're rich... You won't be texting.
So when smartphones, and with them, data plans (that offered very little data, around 4 gigs is the average nowadays, it was a few megs back then) came around, internet-based messaging services became our texting. Because if you have, idk, 512 megs of data in your plan, that's not a lot but it is more than enough for messaging over an app.
WhatsApp was the one that got popular, no idea why.
It was popular with the youths(tm) first in the early 10s, then families hopped on, dragged in by their young-adult kids no doubt, and then... Everything! Because once the Boomers had learned how to use this one app, every business under the sun realised it could serve their purposes as well. And eventually... So did the government.
You want to order pizza? WhatsApp. Want to contact a government agency? WhatsApp. Want to schedule a doctor's appointment? WhatsApp.
Now, I got my friends and family on Telegram, largely because Telegram has nicer features (still closed source though grumble grumble) but I still need WhatsApp for work. It's how I talk to everyone: The team, the boss, the contacts, etc.
Andy
in reply to LordChaos82 • • •qdJzXuisAndVQb2
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in reply to Andy • • •umbrella
in reply to LordChaos82 • • •i dream of the death of whatsapp so we can finally move to something better, anything really, my standards are on the floor.
ill take telegram? discord?? smoke signals???
can some kind hardworking hacker collective kill it or something? please??
twei
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in reply to ButtonMcLemming • • •NecroMemories
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in reply to NecroMemories • • •StantonVitales
in reply to hedge • • •Plex. I'm not sure if Jellyfin is foss, but if it is, I haven't felt like converting my library. I've put a lot of work into making it just right.
Steam, obviously.
other than video games, I think that's really it. I still use some others, like Spotify, but not primarily, I just like to have options.
RBG
in reply to StantonVitales • • •Jellyfin is FOSS. You can by the way just install it and point it at your library to see if it recognises everything. It won't change your file layout.
If you have your movies named "title (year)“ and series in a folder format like "series title/season x/s0xe0x" (x being season and episode numbers), it should actually automatically recognise it all.
But I admit, if you have deviations from that you would need to correct those first and it seems from what I read that Plex is not as picky with that as Jellyfin is.
Mazoku
in reply to RBG • • •Dhrystone
in reply to StantonVitales • • •delirious_owl
in reply to hedge • • •RBG
in reply to delirious_owl • • •delirious_owl
in reply to RBG • • •Oh, yeah, I wouldn't use the app. I lock that type of shit in special "untrustworthy" VMs so its sandboxes from everything. The VM gets destroyed every time the browser is closed.
But it is closed source software that I do need to use from time to time.
I dont even get asked to install the app. Maybe check your notification settings to turn that off
RBG
in reply to delirious_owl • • •Its not a notification like that. I open the site in the mobile browser, not a PWA in case you are thinking that.
There is a small "pop-up" at the bottom then that asks you to use their app instead. But its not even layering over the site so you could just leave it be.
delirious_owl
in reply to RBG • • •https://proit.org/u/icewave
in reply to RBG • • •Then apply changes. You should no longer have that annoying banner at the bottom of the page
denast
in reply to hedge • • •I also run a lot of proprietary stuff like Discord or Instagram due to peer pressure but I let it slide and put my hopes on Android sandboxing the apps and GrapheneOS tweaks. In my opinion, making sure that proprietary app can't reliably access your data and never giving it anything sensitive yourself is a decent risk model.
The only proprietary software I use and somewhat trust is Obdisian. Honestly, it's just excellent and I can't see myself moving away from it anytime soon.
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in reply to hedge • • •Clip Studio Paint
IIt was way ahead than any commercial or FOSS alternative. Especially if you're illustrator or comic artist working in specialized workflow (East Asia and SEA industry).
Tried Krita back then, but still lacks a lot of major important feature and customizable UI layout.
ButtonMcLemming
in reply to hedge • • •The Cuuuuube
in reply to ButtonMcLemming • • •TypicalHog
in reply to hedge • • •AVincentInSpace
in reply to TypicalHog • • •blindsight
in reply to TypicalHog • • •I'm really liking Logseq. I started on it instead of Obsidian since Logseq is FOSS. I understand it's not too hard to switch over since they both use markdown files, granted some scripts need to be run to convert markdown differences between the two.
Logseq's business model is to charge $5/mo for syncing on their (fully encrypted with a private key) server, but you can use a FOSS syncing solution (or a property one) if you prefer. I pay to support the project and to simplify sync on work devices I don't have administrator rights on (so most other sync solutions wouldn't work well.)
TypicalHog
in reply to blindsight • • •The Cuuuuube
in reply to blindsight • • •survivalmachine
in reply to blindsight • • •This is the way. I started on Obsidian, and Logseq is painful in comparison. It's a good product, but I got accustomed to too many nice conveniences over the past couple of years.
kotats
in reply to hedge • • •also basically most of my music software
clumsy_cat
in reply to hedge • • •hedge
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