When to use Friendica over Mastodon
When to use Friendica over Mastodon
When my Mastodon instance was down I took another shot at Friendica. Here are my thoughts about it.HomeHack
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When my Mastodon instance was down I took another shot at Friendica. Here are my thoughts about it.HomeHack
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•I first struggled with my single-user Friendica instance after I added all followed accounts from Mastodon. Very slow, sometimes even not responding at all.
After tweaking some settings the site is running quite smootly. So it depends on the setup.
Yes, Mastodon out-of-the-box is faster on most machines, but Friendica can be made very usable.
Via clients like WhaleBird or Fedilab, I don't feel any difference.
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I agree with what you say. Is your experience that Friendica is slower than the others? My guess would be that Friendica is programmed in PHP which executes slower than other programming languages.
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•Friendica can be rather resource-intensive, especially for public instance. Some of them feel slow because they are somewhat overloaded. On badly overloaded servers delivery times suffer.
Also mostly static interface of Friendica which I like also means most operations reload the entire page. E.g. when you go to someone's profile it can take the same time (say 8 seconds) on Friendica and Misskey/Pleroma/Mastodon but on the latter you don't see the page redrawn - it stays the same and something spins loading the data. On Friendica you see full page reload. It is perceived slower.
Also in some aspects Friendica is inherently slower by design. E.g. when posting comment on Mastodon it is fired off right away (well, almost), on Friendica it is queued for delivery and the worker runs on interval (usually every 2-5 mins). It isn't a problem but feels more like email or old school forum while other platforms can feel more like instant messaging.
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Good observations. Another thing about full page reload is that it will also put more load on the server.
On my Friendica server I am running the Daemon instead of Cronjob so for me it gets sent immediately :)
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You start the Daemon with this command: cd /var/www/html && php bin/daemon.php start
If you don't have your Friendica installation in /var/www/html, change it to the proper location. You can run the command at system boot.
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I assume that you don't run it through Docker since you mentioned Cronjobs. Let me know if my assumption is wrong because then I can give some extra suggestions for that as well.
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Alright. Good luck π feel free to ask if needed :)
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•Now it works even better :)
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You're welcome! Great to hear that :) I wonder why Cron job is the recommended method by Friendica. When I saw that in the installation guide I was like "naah I'll stick with the "non-recommended" method" π
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I have it in a docker container with "restart: always" so if it crashes then it will just restart.
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•There is lack of other features though - can't create or vote in polls, can't upload video and audio, can't block by domain.
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•"When to use Friendica over Mastodon?"
Short answer: always
Long answer: Friendica is the software of the fedeverse that allows the most complete user experience. However, thanks to the fact that Mastodon was the first successful project on activitypub and to the fact that it addressed a very specific target (Twitter users), its users have always been much more numerous than those of other software and this has meant more money and more funding which has allowed the mastodon developers to improve many aspects.
For this reason, as well as for contingent reasons (the immediacy of microblogging is an immanent feature), the comparison between Friendica and Mastodon highlights some aspects in which Mastodon is objectively superior. Between these:
- an essential and compact timeline
- universal compatibility, due simply to the fact that all other fediverse projects must adapt to mastodon if they don't want to be cut off from the larger audience
- a modern... show more
"When to use Friendica over Mastodon?"
Short answer: always
Long answer: Friendica is the software of the fedeverse that allows the most complete user experience. However, thanks to the fact that Mastodon was the first successful project on activitypub and to the fact that it addressed a very specific target (Twitter users), its users have always been much more numerous than those of other software and this has meant more money and more funding which has allowed the mastodon developers to improve many aspects.
For this reason, as well as for contingent reasons (the immediacy of microblogging is an immanent feature), the comparison between Friendica and Mastodon highlights some aspects in which Mastodon is objectively superior. Between these:
- an essential and compact timeline
- universal compatibility, due simply to the fact that all other fediverse projects must adapt to mastodon if they don't want to be cut off from the larger audience
- a modern and ergonomic graphical interface (while the Friendica one looks like the alpha version of MySpace)
- apparently faster servers: this is due to the fact that some fediverse virtualization and optimization projects are focused on mastodons; But this is also a consequence of the fact that the greater number of mastodon users allows the servers hosting the community to be financed with more donations. moreover, the increase in users of a single instance generates disruptions, slowdowns and shock waves for the entire faith universe. In fact, the disproportionate increase in mastodon users in the last three months has also led to a slowdown for smaller instances: today friendica servers are also slowed down due to the increase in mastodon users.
- mastodon has an excellent moderation system that allows you to limit the proliferation of bots, spam and scams
- mastodon is clearly aimed at an audience made up of former Twitter users; friendica on the other hand, despite being the only real alternative to Facebook, presents itself as an object without clear characterization, without a "strong message", and aimed at a heterogeneous audience
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•Yea, the fact that it was not that much cathered at being the alternative to something (in this case Facebook) really left it behind, although it is more feature complete. Hell, even diaspora has more users according to fediverse.observer. And given the development speed boost that followed the bird site takeover (which came along with the user influx), I'm afraid that Mastodon is likely to catch up and leave less room for Friendica to have a meaning for new users.
At the moment, at least, there is... show more
Yea, the fact that it was not that much cathered at being the alternative to something (in this case Facebook) really left it behind, although it is more feature complete. Hell, even diaspora has more users according to fediverse.observer. And given the development speed boost that followed the bird site takeover (which came along with the user influx), I'm afraid that Mastodon is likely to catch up and leave less room for Friendica to have a meaning for new users.
At the moment, at least, there is an influx of new users going on for quite a few months, so it definitely seems to be taking off, but it still leaves Friendica behind many other social networks, sadly.
Imo, Friendica missed some opportunities when it really had the chance of attracting new users, and given the extent of Facebook, it really could attract more users, possibly flip the balance, at least with today's feature set. I only found recently about this whole Fediverse thing, but I was against Twitter due to the post character limit (why the hell should I have to create more than one post in order to post that seldom long idea that I have stuck in my head from time to time?), so I naturally disliked Mastodon's model, although I like many other things at it. And over time I grew fond of its feature set. This is why I really hope Friendica will be able to take a part of the pie in the future.
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•I want to keep the number of accounts I have to a minimum, but I might create some dummy accounts on any of these platforms to test them out.
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•I am really afraid of not doxxing myself though, haha. On the former I am more vocal usually, while on the latter I am more personal. So now I have a mix of social identities that I use for both being vocal and personal.
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•I remember you had, I can't remember, someone posted something on the Friendica support group, not sure if it was you or anyone else.Yea, I had the same issue as you. Indeed, federation between Friendica and Lemmy servers seems a bit problematic, I still search for my posts and comments on a separate Lemmy tab, unfortunately, don't know if this is a Lemmy/Friendica issue or just related to ActivityPub, as f00fc7c8@libranet.de was saying in a previous comment. I am surprised that this comment made it through w/o such an input from my end, so wow! :D
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I solved the issue by spinning up my own instance :D it seems like a Libranet/Venera problem rather than a Friendica problem, because now it works fine for me.
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•I previously tried to force-load my initial comment to this post as well, but nothing happened, wherever I tried. :D
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you mean force load by searching?
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•@anders@rytter.me wrote:
That really is an advantage, congrats on your new server, haha! :D
@anders@rytter.me wrote:
Yes
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i see. in my experience it worked with the link but it seemed like Lemmy users didnt get notifications when i did it and there for didnt reply.
anyways it works now (out of the blue) so thats great! :D
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•@serenity@jeremmy.ml wrote:
Have you tried BBCodes? while in your node press on your profile name in the top-right corner of your screen (if you're using the Frio theme) > Help > BBCode tag reference to see what you can do. They can do everything you said.
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•The irony is that they got it right in the 80's. Simple markup conventions forced by pre-mime text/plain emails and, later in the 90's, SMS are still the basis for most lightweight markup languages.
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•Most simple markup languages (djot, markdown, asciidoc, textile, etc.) are based on 7-bit ASCII markup that people have been using in email and SMS for decades. They're compact and straightforward. BBCode is a bastardization (I use that in its technical sense more than as a pejorative) of HTML; it's verbose and unintuitive.
Give a non-technical person with no other information a keyboard and a plain text field and ask them to emphasize a word in some text. I'll bet the first thing they do is all caps. If you ask them to do it without caps, I bet you'll get something like surrounding the text in asterisks or hashmarks, but regardless, what you won't get is bracket-B-bracket followed by a closing tag.
BBCode is just straight-up HTML for people allergic to pointy characters. That's hardly non-technical.
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•Surely to just highlight something it is easier to use underscore or similar characters but when you want to have variety of formatting styles in my opinon text tags are easier to remember and use. Yes, more to type but BBCode-enabled solutions usually provide some sort of assist.
Also Markdown tends to conflict with user input more often which is confusing.
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